Before you accuse me of missing something, I have seen every episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Babylon 5, and despite my history both with The Next Generation and Babylon 5, I will endeavor to be as fair as possible.
I will agree that Deep Space Nine had some of the best characterizations of the crew in any Star Trek series. I enjoyed the Dominion War immensely, and the Defiant brought lots of childish giggling to this Star Trek fan, but I don't think it was better than Babylon 5.
Don't throw stones at me please! I know it is a bit difficult for fans of Star Trek to understand where I am coming from but Deep Space Nine didn't get good until they got the Defiant. Before that it was so heavily laden with religious undertones, I felt like I was drowning in it.
While Deep Space Nine came out a year before Babylon 5, interestingly enough the stories paralleled each other quite closely.
Space station based, science fiction show, where the Captain is "special", the station is home to many different races, there is a war, and the captain is given a cool ship. Pretty darn similar when you boil it down to its roots, yet there are enough differences to set one apart from the other.
Captains
Sisko - Benjamin Sisko wasn't even a Captain when he was given his assignment to run Deep Space Nine. He quickly became the Emissary of the Prophets for the Bajorans, despite being at odds with this religious position, he later embraces it. He is a strong character, with a fighting spirit, something that slowly gets replaced with more of a commanding attitude, so much so that they bring in Worf to be the new "fighting spirit" for the show.
Don't get me wrong, Sisko kicked some serious alien butt in the show, but he wasn't ever able to become a really deep character I could get into. He kept getting too caught up in family, religion, and duty. They had to send Worf out to do some fighting that Sisko could have done earlier in the show.
Sinclair / Sheridan - First there was Jeffrey Sinclair, he was an interesting guy, but he was really wasn't aggressive enough, and he kind of got on my nerves. In the second season, a new Captain, John Sheridan, came to the station, and he go things done. He stopped the Shadow war, overthrew his own government, and became the President of the Interstellar Alliance.
One of my favourite things about Sheridan is that he never sent other people to do what he could do. He'd leave one of his crew to handle things at the station and go and destroy some alien ships himself. Heck, the guy died, and was brought back to life to continue fighting.
Winner: Babylon 5
Crew
Deep Space Nine - There are four people that I enjoyed in Deep Space Nine's crew, and two of them are from Star Trek: The Next Generation. The four people I really liked include Miles O'Brien, Worf, Julian Bashir and Odo. Honestly, the only reason Odo is so cool is because of his ability to shape shift. His crush on Kira, and the episodes where he can't change his form made me yawn excessively.
Kira Nerys, the second in command, is an annoying woman that thinks she is tough, yet acts like a little girl every time a decent looking dignitary comes on board. Jadzia Dax was an interesting character who they never should have killed off, but if I had to endure one more episode about the multiple personalities her symbiont holds, I would have gone crazy. Don't get me started on the comic relief of Quark.
Babylon 5 - We definitely have some colourful characters on Babylon 5, and while I wouldn't say they are better than their counterparts on Deep Space Nine, they are definitely different. In Michael Garibaldi, we have an alcoholic security chief who gets shot in the back by his own security officer, who then gets his brain modified by a psychic organization to become hyper-paranoid. Garibaldi eventually becomes the CEO of a huge company on Mars.
Then there is a drug addict Doctor, Stephen Franklin, that gets so strung out he decides to quit cold turkey until he learns who he is. The guy gets beat up, nearly dies and sees himself.
Then there is the commander, who is bi-sexual, and eventually gets so injured that she is terminal. The guy that loves her comes and gives up his own life for her by hooking himself up to a machine that transfers life energy.
I don't think anyone from the main crew isn't messed up.
Winner: Star Trek
Station
Deep Space Nine - A Cardassian built station originally known as Terok Nor. Originally used as a tool of oppression, DS9 becomes a trade hub, and defensive outpost due to its proximity to a stable wormhole. The station is said to be able to support 7,000 inhabitants.
The station had some retractable weaponry, which was used a few times, and really got my adrenaline pumping. It was well defended in that respect, as it took on multiple ships, destroying quite a few.
I was surprised that Starfleet in their infinite wisdom never replaced the aging Cardassian station, especially as the importance of the area it inhabited became more and more important. Many issues that the crew had were due to it being a Cardassian station.
Babylon 5 - Babylon 5 is the fifth in a line of space stations, measuring five miles long, the station was designed to be a neutral place for many races to meet up. The main bulk of the station is a rotating cylinder which is used to create gravity.
Like Deep Space Nine, Babylon 5 has many hidden weapons which are very impressive. Some short range turrets, longer firing pulse weapons, but no shields. This is an issue that bothers me a few times throughout the series, as the station receives a fair bit of damage from incoming fire. But watching it destroy ships, fighters, and all types of incoming projectiles is exciting.
Babylon 5 is much larger than Deep Space Nine and as such can house upwards of a quarter million people. Much more than an outpost, Babylon 5 is a multicultural metropolis.
Winner: Babylon 5
Ships
Defiant - Deep Space Nine got a really fun ship to play with. The story of the show was a bit stagnant not being able to explore, or leave the station in anything other than an underpowered runabout, but when the Defiant came the show really started to pick up steam. The Defiant is an overpowered, highly maneuverable little ship with huge amounts of fire power, great defenses and the ability to cloak.
The ship moves nice and fast, and is exciting to watch. It made me want to be in that ship, where as combat on the Enterprise is boring and basically two dimensional.
Whitestar - It is fast, small, and powerful. In pretty much every way, it is similar to the Defiant, except it can't cloak, doesn't have shields, and while interestingly styled, it sometimes looks like a weird plucked chicken.
One thing the Whitestar does that I haven't seen the Defiant do is use its inertia to fight from many angles. As it flies by an enemy ship, it turns and fires while still moving away. It is really interesting to see it maneuver like a fighter, rather than a heavy ship, though it makes me wonder if it has any aft weapons to defend itself.
I didn't pick the music...
Winner: Tie (Defiant could wipe out a dozen Whitestars, but the Whitestar is cooler.)
Conclusion
While there is so much more depth to the shows, technologies, and the universes they reside in, I have to admit that Babylon 5 really comes out a head in so many ways for me. Sure the technology might not always seem as advanced as Star Trek, but it feels so much better. The characters on Babylon 5 have real problems, and are easier to empathize with. Star Trek has this clean and polished feel to it, that Deep Space Nine slowly wore away at, but I don't think they went far enough, and the heavy religious undertones, while also in Babylon 5, weren't thrown in your face for you to ignore or digest.
As you can see, I am all about the technology, and the special effects and this is why some of you are going to be put off by me as a science fiction geek, but I promise you, I will work on exploring the stories and working on appreciating them, but for now, Babylon 5 is my winner.
Ahmed Bilal says on November 21, 2007
Your bias ruins an otherwise interesting comparison.
Puj P\'Tak says on November 21, 2007
Holy smoke, you just brought up every angle that I had compared both shows to as well.
I too have seen every episode of both, but B5 trumps DS9, especially in DS9's last season. Loved them both.
Have to disagree about the Whitestars, pal-- Vorlon tech lasers...
Great post, kudos.
raj says on November 21, 2007
David, they're kidding, right? DS9 was the absolute worst series of Trek ever. These people can't be real Star Trek fans. It was so bloody static and boring, being mostly station-bound. Only in the last season was it mildly interesting. But then again, I hated all of the non-original series for at least 5 years.
I watched the original series starting with its second run, from 1967 onwards, but I have to say the best series is Enterprise, because of its rawness.
davidcubed (7) says on November 21, 2007:
Raj - WOW, you had me right until you started talking about the Original series and Enterprise... Guess it partly has to do with the age of the Star Trek fan... I have never been a TOS or Enterprise fan.Adam Rulli-Gibbs says on November 23, 2007
Maybe not a major aspect affecting your enjoyment of the shows but what about the theme tunes.
I found B5's changing themes very effective with the fourth season being my favourite.
(Would happily watch just about any season of B5 or ST with the exception of the original ST - that's not SciFi that is "Wagon Train To The Stars")
Adam Rulli-Gibbs says on November 23, 2007
Oh, yes and I'd have to agree with Puj P\'Tak over the ship comparison; going up against anything even vaguely related to the (more cryptic than Christopher Judge's eyebrow) Vorlorns is probably a bigger mistake than getting involved in a land war in Asia.
Arcaneprophet says on January 1, 2008
i have to disagree with the comment about the defiant taking out dozens of white star. i too am a fan of both B5 and DS9. am i love the technical side of both shows so i know that the author was wrong about a few things. first off, no, not all ships from b5 have shields. the white star however DOES. check www.b5tech.com the white star also employs a shealth system them it would take time for time defiant crew to crack. then there is the shear speed and manevering of the white star. as seen in the above vedio, can any1 say the defiant can move like that? then there is the biohull the ABSORBS energy. phasers are after all just PHASed EneRgy. the only weapon that could save the defiant is the quantum torpedos and the white star could dodge those easily. the defiant's cloak maybe a problem, but it cant fire while cloaked. and so the defiant cloaks, big deal! now it hard for both ships to see each other the the white star jumps to hyperspace to leave. then the defiant decloaks thinking the ship it gone and wonders what the "phnonmenon" was the white star entered. while "investgating" and taking "sensor reading" the white star opens a jumppoint right on top of the deifant... yeah... oh... now before people comment on me being biased, id take the defiant over anything BUT a white star, i love both ships greatly, i just dont think the defiant could pull it off.
ron says on February 11, 2008
2 important things you forgot:
Special Effects: the special effects on DS9 were beautiful to watch while the special effects on B5 were cheesy, almost cartoonish early CGI.
Acting: The acting in DS9 was top notch and for the most part realistic and believable(in as much as it can be in sci fi) - while in B5 the acting was so horrible and stilted that the show is sometimes almost unwatchable. The worst actor of all was the one who played Sinclair was so bad that got rid of him in the first season. And neither actor that played Captain on B5 could touch Avery Brooks.
sumyungai says on February 28, 2008
I gotta say, Ron hit it on the nose - the effects were cheap, and the acting was very bad. Garibaldi was good, and so was Lester, but everyone else was mostly concepts. I think it was partly due to bad writing for the dialog.
Also, you forget Garek's character. Garek was, in many people's minds, the best character on DS9, and is actually the reason I watched the show (to study his character). Sure, B5 had characters with "real" problems, but they didn't have real characters.
But, I gotta say... the white star is pure sex.
Sumi um com sumi says on April 2, 2008
Money does talk. I believe I read somewhere that DS9 had roughly twice the budget of B5. I can easily believe it. B5 did teach me a lesson that still counts... if you do CGI, don't do minature people. They'll ruin everything else you've done well.
I absolutely tried to look past the bugetary constraints and rawness of the early CGI while watching B5 on DVD within a month of watching DS9 on DVD last year (in each case, it was my first viewing).
I have to go with DS9. B5 had the money problems, but were also screwed by believing they were being cancelled at the end of season 4. In my opionion, this was a mortal blow. War was hinted at for so long, to have to compress it to essentially four episodes and then find out you have another year to fill was the primary cause of death for the story arc (that, and the first year absolutely bored me to a state near death that only perked up a couple of times toward the end of the season).
Acting... DS9 hands down. Zero problems with the DS9 acting. A few problems with B5's acting and a real problem with a couple of their casting choices.
Interestingly enough, I had watched DS9's premiere episode when the show was first broadcast. Being a hard core, first run TOS fan, I went into it thinking that Star Trek was "to boldy go," not "to boldly sit." Then the religious overtones of the premiere turned me completely away. But free time and a great deal on the DVD's forced me to try again. Second time was the charm. I came away thinking it was the best Trek to date since the original (note: DS9 was the last of the Trek series for me to watch).
I then searched for and found some good B5 deals on DVD and watched it next. B5, very probably, didn't really stand a chance, in spite of a conscious and honest effort to be objective and give it a fair shake. But it definitely could have come closer than it did.
Daveeb says on May 10, 2008
ArcaneProphet, you are forgetting something. The White Star doesn't have the stealth technology. Why? Earth Force ships were able to TARGET THEM. In the Season 2 premiere, Earth Alliance Station Babylon 5 was still unable to target Minbari ships. In Season 3, Earth Alliance ships were still heavily intimidated by Minbari cruisers.
The White Stars did not use the Minbari stealth technology.



